This Smoking Ban is killing our money!
Hell, Weird, ghetto, money money money, names, white trash Add commentsAt least, it’s killing the cocktails money. Our venue’s, the bowling, billiard and game rooms, were the smoking rooms at my job. Then comes October 1st, 2007, and voila (see that, Tom, I spelled it right this time), no more smoking.
This smoking ban is controversial at best. On one hand, we have the non-smokers, screaming about their health and how they shouldn’t be forced to deal with second hand smoke. I sympathize, I do, but then again, I’m also a smoker and you people have taken away yet another of my rights. On the other hand, people in TN haven’t gotten used to going to a bar and drinking without their cigarette. It’s not New York, this ban JUST HAPPENED here.
The law says (according to SmokeFreeWorld.com) “Statewide smoking ban takes effect October 2007. All restaurants will be required to be smokefree indoors unless they limit access to people 21+ at all times (including restaurants with bars, chain and hotel restaurants).”
I’ve heard different variations of this law, one saying that as long as a restaurant has a separate room that can be sealed off from the rest of the venue, and has it’s own entrance and ventilation then smoking will be allowed. I don’t know how true it is, but we don’t have that separate room so it really doesn’t matter.
I understand that people are trying to protect our bartenders and servers, but I have to say, out of the 9 bartenders at my job, only 2 are non-smokers. Out of the 15 cocktails, I think there is only 1 that is a non-smoker. The waitstaff? Theres 17 of them I think, and maybe 3 non-smokers. It’s NOT that big a deal to us. This was just another way for the government to decide how we live our lives, nothing more and nothing less. If you don’t want to deal with smoking, or don’t want your kids around it, then don’t bring them out to a bar with you games or no games.
We have lost business since this ban. We’ve lost a lot of it. My money is suffering, because we don’t have that many people sitting in our area. Before, the smokers just knew to come to us, and the non-smokers only ate in the game room when the dining room was full. Now, they just don’t come back there because they’re just so used to coming in the front door and getting a table.
Then there’s the people who don’t want to be compliant. We have a few guests who refuse to accept the ban. I respect and admire them, they still smoke even when we tell them to put it out, and I just wish I could be in their place….It’s not a major thing, but it’s a rebellion nontheless.
A few nights ago, I had a group of people in the bowling alley. All ghetto trash, 2 black guys, a black girl and 2 white girls. When I say trash, I mean they were bottom of the grease trap trash. These girls were wearing next to no clothes, and the ankle holders were the biggest I’ve seen in a while. One of the girls, I went to school with. She comes from a nice, “WASP” family, well as waspish as you can get in Tennessee. She used to have class, and now she talks like she was born in a crack house.
As I approach the lane, I’m wondering when I can get outside to have a cigarette for myself. Then I smell it. It’s the warm smell of a menthol. I wondered, could I be dreaming? Was the ban a hoax? Nope, no-smoking signs everywhere and we all took the ashtrays home.
“Hey everyone, how are you all doing tonight?” I ask while looking down at the packs of Newports, Black and Milds, and Virginia Slims. I really want to smoke at this point, but we have this new “smoking pass” system, and even with that, we don’t get to go from 7-11 because my area manager, Mr. M made it his personal rule.
“Brang us a ashtray.” Says RayQuisha, she with the alabaster skin and the medusa braids all over her head. “We ain’t got no place ta flip deez.”
“I’m sorry ma’am, but it’s illegal for you all to smoke in a restaurant now, as of October 1st.”
“What you mean? Dis ain’t no restaurant, dis be a bah.” Says LayMishiara, the young black lady, who while ghetto, still had more class than the other two.
“Yes, while I would love to allow you ladies to smoke, it’s no longer allowed in restaurants here in Nashville, and this is considered a restaurant being that we have a full food menu and a full kitchen.”
“You cain be tellin us ta put deez out, we got rights you know,” says JaHaramarinara, the other white trash, “Dis be becauz we wit deez black men. You be a racist.” Fuck you bitch, I’m trying to not lose my job. I don’t care who you’re getting down with or getting crabs from. I’m not losing my job because I let you smoke, and I’m not getting my restaurant a fine when the Health Dept. comes in for one of their surprise smoking checks!
“This has nothing to do with race, ma’am, this has to do with you breaking the law.”
“Well you betta go get a fuckin managah, cuz we ain’t puttin deez out.” Fun times. I get a manager, who tells them to put them out. “Fuck naw, dis be bullshit” I here JaHaramarinara yelling, “We be grew up. How you just gon tell us what ta do?”
“Because it’s the law, and we’re not getting fined over you. Put them out or leave, it’s your choice.”
Thankfully the “ladies” didn’t end up ordering anything from me. I wondered why the two guys kept their mouths shut the whole time, and when the “ladies” went to the bathroom to snort another line or put in a plug or whatever they were doing in there, presumably smoking in secret which will still get us a fine, one of the guys told me “We jus picked dem up at anotha bah.” He ordered a few Hen and cokes, his tab ended up being like 36 bucks, left me 50 and told me to keep it.
“Maybe dey raggin or somethin, can’t take no bitch out nowhere no mo witout dem ackin a foo’. Sorry bout dat.” He ordered long islands for like an hour, and ended up leaving me almost 20 bucks.
This also brings me to wonder why this epidemic of embarrassing trashy females has decided to come out. Their boyfriends/fucks/husbands are apparently getting tired of it. As long as they keep tipping big because of these bitches, I say bring it on. If you can deal with it guys, so can I. To all you men, white trash and ghetto trash alike that have to deal with a bitchy woman that embarrasses you in public, I respect you for not strangling her.
God knows I would
Ribeye
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October 18th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
We asthmatics appreciate you giving up soe tips so we can go out in public and not wind up in the hospital!
As far as class to trash, I blame MTV.
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October 19th, 2007 at 12:42 am
I have ashtma too Pamela, just not really bad ashtma.
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October 19th, 2007 at 12:53 am
Mine’s chronic rather than acute, thank goodness.
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October 19th, 2007 at 6:57 am
Ribeye, I grew up around a constant smoker and it turned me off tobacco for good. I really, really like going out and not coming back smelling like smoke. On the other hand, I do sympathize with you. Maybe after the law has been in effect for awhile, the smokers will know enough to get nicotined up before they go out to eat.
As for the ghetto trash - I’m afraid they will always be with us. My sympathy for having to put up with them. By the way - are the ghetto trash always women? Judging from your posts, it seems as though they are.
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:15 am
It takes while for the people to get used to the ban, but they will be back.
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:56 am
“We be grew up?”
Oh, my…
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:30 am
“We asthmatics appreciate you giving up. . .tips. . .”
I am not a smoker, but I find this statement nothing less than infuriating. People aren’t giving up tips for you. People are being forced into a situation because natural selection is being stripped away from society.
If you have asthma or any other disability, you have to take extra care of yourself. I really, really hate special accomodations for people with disabilities unless they really –need– it.
How do asthmatics deal with going to smoke-filled bars? Do you go or do you not go? If you don’t go, do you find that your life is substantially lessened in value because of this? If you do go, why aren’t you dead?
As I was taught by my father, if you have something wrong with you, you may just have to work a little harder or make personal sacrifices for yourself. Your condition is NO excuse to make others suffer for it. You are not allowed, as a human being, to inflict your handicap so maliciously onto others so that you bring others down a knotch or two. “I can’t do what Jimmy’s doing. Therefore, he can’t do it either.”
If you are really concerned about your health, you wouldn’t be eating out anyway. There are very few meals at restaurants that are dietarily worth a damn.
This whole cropping of ADD, ADHD and other ailments and maladies that just take hard work to overcome or making personal sacrifices is really getting to grow out of hand. Next thing we know, they’ll be flashing light bans in restaurants and bars because they constantly distract people with ADHD.
If ya can’t stand smoke, don’t go around smokers. Much like if you can’t use your legs, you probably shouldn’t attempt mountain climbing.
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October 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
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October 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
I did avoid places where there was heavy smoke (I’m in California and we have massive anti-smoking laws). I know servers suffer at first, but afteer a while things get back to normal. I live with a smoker and deal with it. What I meant is people like me may well spend more time in bars and resturants now and we tip too, often better.
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Jimmy-James
“If you are really concerned about your health, you wouldn’t be eating out anyway.”
NOT TRUE! Just because you may not want to die of LUNG CANCER OR EMPHYSEMA OR a HEART ATTACK SOONER, DOESN’T MEAN YOU WOULDN’T BE “EATING OUT” ANYWAYS. LOTS OF PEOPLE EAT OUT, BUT GETTING THE “HEALTHY FOODS” such as salads with fat free or low fat dresssing or even no dressing. My mother-in-law asks for a lower fat or fat free dressing with her salads. Eating out doesn’t ALWAYS mean people are ALWAYS eating unhealthy.
I feel the people that want to smoke should be CONSIDERATE ENOUGH TO BUY EVEYONE IRON LUNGS NOT TO POLUTE EVERYONE ELSE’S RIGHT TO GO INTO A CLEAN AIRED ENVIRONMENT. If they want to be CONSIDERATE, they should go OUTSIDE. WHY should the person that DOESN’T want to die of those diseases MISS OUT ON LIFE, because of some people that want to POLUTE THE AIR? Do you expect us to bring an oxygen tank EVERY PLACE? GET REAL!
“If ya can’t stand smoke, don’t go around smokers. Much like if you can’t use your legs, you probably shouldn’t attempt mountain climbing.”
So, you mean to tell me that people cannot enjoy what they want to without breathing the bad chemicals going into innocent people’s lungs that DO NOT SMOKE? I feel, being a drinker on the weekends, HONESTLY, if my drinking affected other people’s lungs, I would DEFINATELY BE CONSIDERATE ENOUGH TO GO OUTSIDE. I feel if people want to POLUTE THE AIR, they should do it OUT DOORS, IN THEIR CARS OR HOMES. They shouldn’t do it in PUBLIC PLACES OF ANY KIND.
I LOVE to dance, but when I have gone to nightclubs, I was subjected to cigarette smoke. WHY should a person that LOVES to dance, be subjected to that? At least my drinking, unless I am totally drunk, DOESN’T affect ANYONE ELSE in the place like smoking does. I also like to drink, so when I go to bars, I have to smell that crap into my lungs. I DO NOT feel that it’s CONSIDERATE OF OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE PEOPLE THAT DON’T SMOKE NOT BE ABLE TO GO A CERTAIN PLACE WITHOUT GETTING THEIR LUNGS POLLUTED. I ended up breathing that smoke at the donut shop for over 2 years. WHO KNOW HOW MUCH DAMAGE MY LUNGS AND HEART GOT FROM NOT EVER, EVER, SMOKING IN MY LIFETIME? Sure, you may say, “It was YOUR CHOICE to take that job.” I feel though, I should have been able to breathe CLEAN AIR NO MATTER WHERE I worked. Thank GOODNESS this year in Louisiana, they passed a law for restaurants to have no smoking. I am SOOOOOOOOOOO GLAD. If my drinking affected others, I would be CONSIDERATE ENOUGH TO NOT DRINK IN THE PLACES. Do you expect people to miss out on LIFE just because a place has smoke? You expect people to bring an iron lung with them everywhere they go? I feel the smokers should be CONSIDERATE enough to go OUTSIDE to not POLLUTE the air of non-smokers. Sounds like you AREN’T “CONSIDERATE” OF ANYONE ELSE BUT **************YOURSELF******************!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
“As I was taught by my father, if you have something wrong with you, you may just have to work a little harder or make personal sacrifices for yourself.”
The same could be said for smokers. They just have to work a little harder to not smoke in restaurants.
It always breaks my heart to see kids trapped in smoking sections - they didn’t choose to sit there.
As far as I am concerned, smoking isn’t a right. There’s no two ways about it - what a smoker expels directly affects the people around them. Can’t they wait until they get outside or into their car to light one up?
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October 20th, 2007 at 3:27 am
Yeah. If you are so concerned about your health, you’ll cook at home. That way you know exactly what you’re putting into your body. That point is not for debate.
As far as dancing…you can do that at home with a stereo system and some strobe lights. If you want a bunch of people there with you, invite your friends. If you don’t want to get wet, don’t jump in a pool. If you don’t want to be around smoke, don’t go to a bar.
How about if your drinking affects other people’s ears (loud talking)? Being a music instructor, my ears are my bread and butter. I don’t go out to loud clubs or concerts, because I have to have my ears working in good order. Should I try to get laws passed for decibel control levels and limits? No. I just don’t go to those places, because I know what to expect.
What if your drinking causes other people mental or emotional distress (which psychologists have determined can be as detrimental, if not more detrimental than physical distress)? Obnoxious or perceivedly violent behavior could make someone feel very uncomfortable. What about a moral level? It could make them feel exceedingly uncomfortable, which could affect their health (blood pressure, breathing rates, et cetera). Should they rally to make you have to go outside (with the smokers) to drink?
The same way that “smoking isn’t a right” being stupid isn’t a right either. A person’s stupid behavior affects everyone around them. Mentally, emotionally, and many times physically. But we don’t have laws against stupid. Smoking, I feel, is stupid. But that doesn’t mean I think I have the right to say “You must go outside to smoke.” Just the way one doesn’t like having smoked forced upon someone else goes equally for opinions. And I bet I could find as much evidence for how other people’s opinions of you can physically effect you (through depression and other mental maladies) as you could find for how second-hand smoke affects people.
I honestly believe the crux lies in the fact that restaurants need to really have a place for smokers apart from non-smokers, much like in many airports. A separate, closed-off area. If non-smokers don’t want to go in there, they don’t have to. At the same time, the smokers don’t have to go outside in the cold to fall prey to their chemical addiction (which is considered a physical and mental disorder, much like asthma is a disability).
It’s not really about the not smoking in restaurants thing. It’s the “I am going to dictate what you do because I don’t like it.” It’s about a removal of a liberty. No matter how small, that starts a very slippery slope to other things.
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October 20th, 2007 at 10:37 am
Jimmy,
I agree with you if it’s possible to provide a closed of room for smokers resturants should (if it’s not against the law, as it is here).
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October 21st, 2007 at 10:06 am
Hey rage,
Don’t worry about it. It will get back to normal soon.
They banned smoking in bars and restaurants nearly two years ago around here. At first everyone was completely up in arms about it, and we were all afraid business would die. Business thinned out for a month or so, but what I’ve realized is that people want to be out.
Sure, they can stay home and smoke indoors, but that’s only interesting for a month at the most.
They’ll be back. They get used to just going outside for a smoke break. Places like clubs and concert venues have designated smoking areas outside… it can actually be a nice break from the chaos inside :)
People like to be served and be out somewhere. Once they realize that it’s not going to change whether they stay home or not, they will return.
Hang in there!
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October 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Jimmy-James
“Yeah. If you are so concerned about your health, you’ll cook at home. That way you know exactly what you’re putting into your body. That point is not for debate.”
I feel it IS. The fact is, just because someone eats unhealthy DOESN’T HAVE **********ANYTHING********* to do with not wanting to get lung cancer or emphysema. You can’t get lung cancer from eating fatty foods, but you can get a heart attack from doing that.
I also feel if you want to GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE to LIVE LIFE, you end up breathing second hand smoke at places, which I don’t feel you should end up having to breathe smoke. I feel a person should have the right to CLEAN AIR in buildings.
“As far as dancing…you can do that at home with a stereo system and some strobe lights. If you want a bunch of people there with you, invite your friends. If you don’t want to get wet, don’t jump in a pool. If you don’t want to be around smoke, don’t go to a bar.”
For one thing, I do have my own disco club room that I have invited my friends to quite a number of times. Secondly, I don’t feel people should MISS OUT on life to just because they want to breathe clean air. It’s MORE fun at a real nightclub in my opinion.
“How about if your drinking affects other people’s ears (loud talking)? Being a music instructor, my ears are my bread and butter. I don’t go out to loud clubs or concerts, because I have to have my ears working in good order. Should I try to get laws passed for decibel control levels and limits? No. I just don’t go to those places, because I know what to expect.”
What about SCREAMING LOUD CHILDREN? Just Friday, we had a screaming child in the back of us at Applebee’s. SAME DIFFERENCE HERE as far as I am concerned. You can’t run away from EVERYTHING, because then you would NEVER GO OUT OF YOUR HOUSE THEN. Even at the grocery store there are crying babies around.
“What if your drinking causes other people mental or emotional distress (which psychologists have determined can be as detrimental, if not more detrimental than physical distress)? It could make them feel exceedingly uncomfortable, which could affect their health (blood pressure, breathing rates, et cetera). Should they rally to make you have to go outside (with the smokers) to drink?”
YES, if the person is affecting others such as a parent goes outside of a CHURCH with a crying baby that is DISTURBING the mass. I am NOT violent. If I was disturbing someone for being too loud, YES, I WOULD LEAVE. I would be CONSIDERATE of others.
“Smoking, I feel, is stupid. But that doesn’t mean I think I have the right to say “You must go outside to smoke.” Just the way one doesn’t like having smoked forced upon someone else goes equally for opinions.”
“I” may not have a “RIGHT” to do this, but I feel I DO have a RIGHT to breathe clean air in buildings. If someone goes outside, then if I am in line for something and breathe it behind them, well, it’s OUTSIDE, so I can’t really help that. If I am in a building, I feel I should be able to breathe clean air and not be subjected to possibly getting a heart attack faster or lung cancer or emphysema.
“It’s not really about the not smoking in restaurants thing. It’s the “I am going to dictate what you do because I don’t like it.” It’s about a removal of a liberty. No matter how small, that starts a very slippery slope to other things.”
It’s ****NOT**** about that. It’s TRULLY ONLY ABOUT WANTING TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR. I don’t like it when my clothes smell like smoke either or my hair. The main reason is that it is a health issue. Just because I don’t want to eat healthy has absolutely NOTHING to do with not wanting to get lung cancer or emphysema. What I eat doesn’t have anything to do with those illnesses. Have you ever heard of someone getting lung cancer from eating fast food type of food such as hamburgers or fries? I sure haven’t.
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October 24th, 2007 at 1:19 am
Springs,
Jimmy-James just doesn’t want to be told where he can and cannot smoke. Unfortunately now days smokers don’t have a right to smoke wherever they please.
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October 25th, 2007 at 3:27 am
Dearest Springs,
If you were bothering people, you’d leave. That’s a fat load of shit, ’cause you’re still bitchin’ here.
Post again when you’re not a hypocritical pool of cat sick. :-)
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October 26th, 2007 at 7:31 am
Jimmy-James
“If you were bothering people, you’d leave. That’s a fat load of shit, ’cause you’re still bitchin’ here.”
IT’S NOT a “LOAD OF SHIT”, because I know HOW TO SERVE CUSTOMERS, because I would actually ***CARE*** about customers. I wouldn’t trust a food runner for my tip to make the customer not get their food the EXACT WAY they ordered it as far as condiments go. If I was truly bothering people IN PERSON, I WOULD LEAVE. I will fight for what I believe in on here and the fact that some servers make my dining experiences MISERABLE instead of HAPPY, so YES, I DO have a right to bitch. I’d rather ANY DAY, pay 25% or higher than to have rotten service just to save money. I don’t go out to eat to have bunches of mistakes or a major one such as a wrong entree brought to me. WHO REALLY DOES?
“Post again when you’re not a hypocritical pool of cat sick. :-)”
It’s NOT “hypocritical”, because I am writing on here, but that has *******NOTHING******** to do with IN-PERSON situations at a restaurant. You CANNOT IN NO WAY COMPARE THE 2 things, because they AREN’T THE SAME AT ALL AND YOU KNOW IT!
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October 26th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Jimmy-James, you are awesome! I love to see other people tell it like it is when it comes to that whack job! Because you’re right!!! She apperently doesn’t understand when she isn’t wanted so why would a public place be any different? It isn’t!!!!!!!
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Mary
“She apperently doesn’t understand when she isn’t wanted so why would a public place be any different? It isn’t!!!!!!!”
IT IS, because this is **NOT** IN-PERSON! THIS IS ON THE INTERNET AND YOU KNOW I AM RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID ON THE OTHER BLOGS, BUT YOU ARE TOO LAZY ASS TO ADMIT IT! GO AHEAD AND BE LAZY THEN! If I wasn’t RIGHT, then I wouldn’t have my order wrong brought to me soooo damn much, now would I? I would have better service if servers would TAKE 100% CHARGE of things they COULD get BEFORE the meal such as ANY CONDIMENTS that were ordered.
As far as the smoking goes, I feel if you are bothering other people, you SHOULD leave the place. Just as crying babies are in a restaurant, that the parents should take their kid outside to quite them down or maybe in the bathroom at least. You think it’s pleasant to hear a crying baby? At least that doesn’t compromise your HEALTH like breathing cigarette smoke does. We all need to breathe.
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October 27th, 2007 at 2:17 am
Springs honey, you’ve said the same things over and over and over and over and over and over again, on my blog and countless others. You’ve also said , and I quote, “I feel if you are bothering other people, you SHOULD leave the place. Just as crying babies are in a restaurant, that the parents should take their kid outside to quiet them down”. Yet, you’re still here despite the wishes of other posters here.
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October 27th, 2007 at 2:43 am
Listen up Springs 1. I am NOT LAZY ASS and don’t ever presume to know that I am. You haven’t been right yet! Bashing servers & bitching about THE SAME SHIT everytime you feel the need to rant & rave does not prove anything. Besides, you obviously enjoy your rants so much that you feel the need to comment to everyone that disagrees with you, (EVERYONE ON HERE) whether the comment was originally directed to you or not. How can you possibly expect people to agree with you when you won’t say anything different? For 2 years, the SAME SHIT! & you REFUSE to comment back when a person says something that you can’t possibly dispute, something you can’t even make shit up & pretend to dispute! That’s pathetic. You wouldn’t know a good server if one fell on you. What you say is a good server that you have had was a person that most likely couldn’t stand you & was purely trying to get rid of you. Or maybe keep the peace so as NOT to get in trouble. I know from experience that Ribeye is a damn good server. & just for the record, so am I. The fact that we wouldn’t kiss your ass makes no difference.
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October 27th, 2007 at 5:02 am
Ribeye,
had enough yet?
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October 27th, 2007 at 5:46 am
Mary
“comment to everyone that disagrees with you, (EVERYONE ON HERE) whether the comment was originally directed to you or not.”
Because there ARE people that AGREE with me, that AREN’T ON HERE. Just look at this blog:
http://davismadison.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/do-your-job/
“If the kitchen messes up my order and you don’t catch it before it hits the table well guess what, that’s your bad, you are my server you know what I ordered and should say, “Excuse me, that is not the order I placed, please correct it”. This alone would solve so many problems that restaurants have, servers who are not paying attention to what is going on and in such a hurry to get things done so they can sit down.”
Notice Madison states the server not “CATCHING” the cook’s mistakes is THEIR FAULT. Even if it’s another server that takes the food to the customer, missing condiments can ALWAYS be PREVENTED from being missing by the MAIN SERVER that took the order NO MATTER **WHO** THE HELL TAKES THE FOOD OUT TO THE CUSTOMER!
“There is no way that I am automatically tipping a server unless she has done everything right, if I have to ask for ranch twice then sorry, your tip will reflect your attitude and level of service.”
Then there’s a person that responded that was a “FORMER” SERVER that actually AGREES with me.
gangaspeed said: “I have been a server, it is frustrating yes, it can pay well, yes and the pay and how frustrating it is depends on how well you do your job.”
See, my point is, madison is FED UP with the food ARRIVING at the table with OBVIOUS THINGS WRONG. You honestly shouldn’t have to ASK TWICE FOR ANYTHING, NOT ANYTHING! A “GOOD” SERVER WOULDN’T have DEPENDED ON THE FOOD RUNNER TO BRING OUT MAYO. DON’T YOU GET THAT?
http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/things-not-to-do-as-a-server-if-you-want-a-tip.asp
Just look at this list:
“3) Having to ask another server for something/anything”
If the other server didn’t get the mayo, WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE HAD TO ASK THAT OTHER SERVER FOR IT, WHEN “MY” SERVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT WAY BEFORE THE FOOD CAME OUT?
” 5) Getting order wrong
“If you write it down, how do you get it wrong? are you not paying attention? not only that, but then you have to wait even longer for your correct food to come, or eat the wrong food. not cool.””
I TOTALLY AGREE 100% as far as OBVIOUS mistakes go.
“6) Having to ask more than once for something
“If I have to ask twice for something, Im gonna be mad, because chances are, it’s something that I want before I start eating.””
Asking for the mayo twice was unnecessary, when Ribeye should have gotten it ***BEFORE*** the 15 minutes it took to get the food to the table. The person making the tip is responsible for getting conidiments to the table, NOT the food runner, because they are getting PAID from the CUSTOMER to do so. You cannot depend on someone else to do stuff you can EASILY DO YOURSELF considering the customer will NOT be TIPPING the food runner.
WHY do you feel somehow that the server is not responsible for getting the food to the table as correct as possible just because “THEY” didn’t bring it out as far as condiments are concerned? As I have stated before, almost EVERYTIME my condiments were forgotten by food runners, MY SERVER actually brought the condiments out, NOT the food runner. I really don’t get WHY? WHY did RIBEYE end up having to get the mayo himself, when he should have told his food runner to get it? I feel WHY the hell have a food runner only to bring out the food without verifying ALL components? MOST of the times I have had missing condiments, usually the server had put the order in correctly I feel. Condiments are the SERVER’S JOB, NOT THE FOOD RUNNER’S JOB. The food runner’s job is to bring out the food that takes more time to prepare than condiments out such as salads and any type of HOT food. The food runner shouldn’t be responsible for condiments because they aren’t directly getting tipped by the customer. A lot of restaurants such as Applebee’s, have servers running each other’s food, so that other server that runs my food without the condiments DOESN’T get tipped from me. If you want to prevent from getting penalized due to a food runner condiment mistake, you can EASILY PREVENT that by BRINGING IT OUT YOURSELF! There’s no real reason not to unless the customer says they don’t want that when you tell them you will go ahead and bring the condiments out ahead of time.
“You wouldn’t know a good server if one fell on you.”
NO, a “GOOD” server is one that CARES about their customer’s order, time, money etc. A GOOD server is a person that does what it takes to get the order as CORRECT as POSSIBLE to the customer, even if they have to make a separate trip to do so. A really good server doesn’t make mistakes at all. They TRY THEIR BEST. A good server would NEVER bring out food that was obviously wrong or trust another server for their tip, EVER! A good server *PREVENTS* mistakes from getting to their customers NO MATTER WHAT THE HELL THEY HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN! YOU ARE THE ONE THAT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS! People do NOT go out to eat to have their order WRONG and to WAIT to eat their food the way they ordered it as far as obvious mistakes go.
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October 28th, 2007 at 2:53 am
It’s impossible to NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE AT ALL! Even if you try your best. That’s life. YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT. It makes NO difference what you THINK you could do to prevent a mistake. It’s outrageous to even assume that you wouldn’t make any. & who has ever said that they want their food wrong? Nobody. You made that up. What EVERYONE has said is that mistakes happen though, & it’s really abnormal how you overreact when it does happen. You are a bitch. In your warped world, mistakes aren’t allowed. No way no how. You look for a reason to reduce your servers tip. & if you say you don’t, then you are a liar. Because NORMAL PEOPLE don’t go out & break apart everything the server does just so they can figure the tip. You are a nut. You walk in to a restaurant with nothing but the tip amount on your mind & you will deduct from it for ANYTHING. You should seriously consider investing in a padded room somewhere you tip nazi.
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October 28th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Mary
“You are a bitch.”
NO, THAT’S YOU, because I am NICE and CONSIDERATE, UNLIKE YOU.
“It’s outrageous to even assume that you wouldn’t make any.”
I have had “PERFECT” SERVICE LOTS and LOTS of times with NO MISTAKES. It CAN HAPPEN.
I just feel when you make a mistake, you should suffer the consequences in the tip, because that is the FAIR way to do things. I feel you make me pissed, I will do the same back IN THE TIP by reducing it some.
“You look for a reason to reduce your servers tip. & if you say you don’t, then you are a liar.”
NO, I SERIOUSLY, HONESTLY DON’T! Servers do things that I couldn’t EVER FATHOM DOING such as last night for instance. I went to Houston’s with my husband to get drinks and dessert. When we were greeted, I specifically stated we were only getting drinks and dessert. A bit after we were finished our dessert and I was still drinking my white russian, he comes with the check WITHOUT FINDING OUT IF WE WERE READY FOR IT. He just places it on the table and says “Whenever you are ready.” What is the DEAL with servers making “ASSUMPTIONS” these days? I NEVER, EVER, stated to the waiter I wanted ONLY the dessert and the drinks we ordered or that we wanted the check along with the dessert. That got him LESS than 15%. That’s NOT his decision to make, that’s OURS. He could have at least ASKED if were going to want anything else BEFORE putting it on our table. It’s called being CONSIDERATE as well as not trying to run the show for your customers. The customers should be able to make their own decisions of what they want in their service without their server trying to read their minds about everything. So what, Jane Doe and John Doe went to get drinks and they wanted their check right away without requesting it, DOESN’T mean EVERYONE ELSE DOES.
Also, I asked for a coke right after he took a table’s food order. He went to another table to ask them if they needed anything, which I can handle that, but what I couldn’t handle was seeing him stack plates and waste MY TIME as well as that other table’s time to CLEAN UP of all things. I just asked for a coke and you are going to worry about cleaning up is just being RUDE AND VERY INCONSIDERATE. I NEVER put dirty dishes ahead of my customers at the donut shop, because I thought of my CUSTOMER’S TIME AND FEELINGS, NOT CLEAN UP WORK. Those dirty dishes WILL be there 3 minutes later and they WON’T be tipping him. His tip was 10%. When you be RUDE to me, I do the same back IN THE TIP! My point is, I DIDN’T “LOOK” for reasons to reduce the tip, because I EXPECTED him to go get my refill of coke ****BEFORE**** worrying about clean up work just as ANYONE would expect that when getting served, because it’s COMMON SENSE. Just as when you are McDonald’s waiting to place your order, but if the cashier would be more worried about wiping down a couple of tables instead of taking your order that is to-go, wouldn’t you think that was a bit rude, so I feel WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE HERE in what we experienced? NOTHING! It should be COMMON SENSE that customers come FIRST and clean up work comes LAST. Dishes don’t tip, but customers sure do.
“Because NORMAL PEOPLE don’t go out & break apart everything the server does just so they can figure the tip.”
YES THEY DO. Just read some of the complaints.com letters or the planetfeedback letters. You will see some people who know WHAT TIME they got seated and how long they waited for things. It’s called being hungry and thristy. It’s called wanting your stuff as SOON as you can get it just as 99.9% of the dining population does.
“You are a nut. You walk in to a restaurant with nothing but the tip amount on your mind & you will deduct from it for ANYTHING.”
NO, I let SOME things go if the service was wonderful such as serving me refills without me ordering them or being asked if I wanted them or like one time I tipped 20% to this waitress that made 2 mistakes, BECAUSE she said “I’m SO SORRY ABOUT THAT”, instead of no sorry or “Sorry about that.” First I didn’t have the onions I had ordered on my OPEN-FACED burger that SHE brought out, which my husband fixed that situation right away, because he didn’t care if he had onions or not. Second thing, my side of ranch for my fries wasn’t there. For 1 missing side of ranch, this waitress said she was SO sorry. For profusley apologizing over a minor screw up makes up for the mistake considering she fixed it IMMEDIATELY. So sometimes I DO LET STUFF GO. It depends on the situation of what the mistake is and how it is handled.
I have EVERY RIGHT to get the service that I SHOULD receive and if I don’t receive that, I SHOULD be able to take off tip points.
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October 29th, 2007 at 12:47 am
Sweetie, face it. I’m not the bitch in this equation. I have had a server I work with actually say that I am the NICEST person he has ever met. & no, normal people do not break apart & examine everything. You do & you aren’t normal. & just for the record, in many restaurants, if that server hadn’t stopped to grab those plates that you were so pissed about, he could get into trouble. Something else you sure as hell didn’t know. The servers where I work are supposed to NEVER come back to the kitchen with an empty tray. So that means if you ask for a refill, we haven’t done anything wrong by stopping to grab a few plates on the way in. It’s our job. & you wouldn’t know anything about that. You act like you think you’re such a nice person when you do things that nice people don’t do. A nice person is understanding & gets that a mistake can & will happen from time to time. That’s clearly not you. I can accept that stuff. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I’m nice & I’m normal.
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October 29th, 2007 at 1:13 am
Springs,
You may be polite in other aspects of your life, but here you are not polite.. you came charging in here and other server related sites going to tell everyone the one and only right way to do their jobs. Unfortunately your’s is not the only way to do things or even the best. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Actually from what I’ve seen, you are rarely even vaguely correct.
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Springs,
Your issue with pre-bussing is SO messed up. You have no idea. That server was simply trying to manage his or her time. I cannot believe you were seriously offended that they picked up another tables dirty dishes (aka DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY!) on their way to get your soda. Are you even human? Give me a break!
I’ve seen you talk about this before and it’s one of your little “springisms” that just cannot be understood by anyone with logic. Pre-bussing is something servers have to do and we’re usually not ALLOWED to walk past a table and not grab things from it that aren’t in use. You need to have a better understanding of the servers job if you’re going to bitch and complain.
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Ruca
“Your issue with pre-bussing is SO messed up. You have no idea. That server was simply trying to manage his or her time.”
Look at the WORDS you chose “HIS OR HER TIME”, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE ***CUSTOMER’S TIME***, which I ALWAYS DID. If let’s say some people left the counter and someone would walk in to get something to-go, I’d leave those dishes RIGHT WHERE THEY WERE and NOT TAKE MY CUSTOMER’S TIME UP FOR SOMETHING I CAN DO AFTER I HAVE SERVED THEM. It’s called COMMON DECENCY.
“I cannot believe you were seriously offended that they picked up another tables dirty dishes (aka DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY!) on their way to get your soda. Are you even human? Give me a break!”
YOU GIVE ME A BREAK YOU UNCARING PERSON! I’ve had GOOD SERVERS that have given us refills under 30 seconds, that’s right, UNDER 30 seconds, because they went STRAIGHT TO GET IT INSTEAD OF WENT TO DO CLEAN UP WORK OR TO GO TO ANOTHER TABLE TO ASK IF THEY NEED ANYTHING WHEN THEY WEREN’T CALLED UPON.
Doing his job correctly would have been to after I had asked him to get a refill, that he would have went to put the people’s order in to the table across from us and went get my refill after. What he did instead was walk over passed my table, to the one BEHIND us to ask if they needed anything and then went to an empty table with dishes to stack them up. HOW RUDE CAN YOU GET! First off, he was being rude to the people that he just got the order from by going to another table to ask if they needed anything as well as to stack and bring dishes to the kitchen, because I happen to catch his eye as he was passing to ask him for a refill, so he didn’t voluntarily go to me, so my request for a refill he wasn’t be rude to the first table, because he didn’t VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE to come to me. Anyway, my point is, ARE YOU EVEN “HUMAN” that you CANNOT THINK OF ANYONE ELSE’S TIME BUT YOUR OWN?
“we’re usually not ALLOWED to walk past a table and not grab things from it that aren’t in use.”
You DO NOT GET THAT HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WALKING BY THAT TABLE AT ALL IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST WENT TO THE COMPUTER TO PUT THAT FIRST TABLE’S FOOD ORDER IN AND WENT TO GET MY REFILL RIGHT AFTER. There WAS NO REAL REASON TO GO THAT WAY, because he had to backtrack back up the aisle, which was to pass back by my table to go to the kitchen.
An example I remember as clear as if it was yesterday, but this was in the spring of 2005. My husband and I had just finished eating our entrees at Chili’s. The waitress we had asked if we wanted a dessert or anything else. We both ordered refills on our soft drinks and I ordered a margarita. THE UNCARING BITCH DECIDED to come to our table to BEGIN WITH, so I DON’T GET WHY SHE DID WHAT SHE DID AFTERWARDS? Instead of just taking our dirty dishes to just put them on the dirty table across from us or even could have left them there, because the table across from us had dirty dishes on it, she not only picks up our dishes, but she also gets the other dishes from the other table and starts BUSSING it, NOT PRE-BUSSING, actually BUSSING the entire table. Meanwhile, my margarita COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM BEING MADE OR NEXT ON THE LIST TO BE MADE, our soft drinks COULD have made it to our table, because they DO have 2 soda stations at this Chili’s I saw, which we weren’t that far away from one. Instead, NO we had to wait for her to go put the dishes away in the kitchen first. If you do not think that is EXTREMELY RUDE, INCONSIDERATE, AND UNCARING, YOU ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN, because people have FEELINGS and they DO NOT WANT TO WAIT LONGER IF THEY DO NOT HAVE TO, especially over something that could be done MUCH LATER since there wasn’t a wait for table, because it was 11p.m. and they close at 12 midnight. I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WOULDN’T BE OFFENDED AT SOMEONE TAKING TIME TO CLEAN WHEN THEY COULD BE GETTING WHAT YOU ASKED THEM TO GET. If he would have done what I would have done, I would have had my refill at LEAST 2 MINUTES FASTER and YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUTH! In the 2005 Chili’s situation, we would have our soft drinks(cannot remember if she brought them with the margarita or separate) in under 30 seconds and my margarita would have been to my table at least 2-3 minutes faster. She could have just put our dirty dishes on that other table that was dirty and went to put the order in for my margarita into the computer. Then she could have went to get the refills and on her way back to our table, she could have finished bussing the table and stacking the dishes. Then she would have went to the kitchen to bring them. Then, when my margarita would have been done, it would have been brought to me. See how MY WAY IS CONSIDERATE AS CAN BE TO THE ******CUSTOMER’S****** TIME?
So you don’t think it’s rude to be let’s say at McDonald’s on your lunch break inside waiting to place your order to-go. You are let’s say running late to get back to work. The McDonald’s cashier is busy bussing a couple of tables, so she is in the dining area. Would you just let her finish or would you say “Miss, could I order?” I am willing to bet MOST PEOPLE would interrupt the cashier’s time to ask that so they can get on with their service instead of just WAIT FOR NO REAL REASON. THERE IS **NO DIFFERENCE** WHAT-SO-EVER IN THIS EXAMPLE THAN BOTH SITUATIONS I HAVE TALKED ABOUT! IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO AFTER, WHY DELAY A CUSTOMER?
“You need to have a better understanding of the servers job if you’re going to bitch and complain.”
I KNOW A LOT and I mean A LOT, of servers think of CUSTOMER’S TIME INSTEAD OF THOSE DIRTY DISHES. NOT ALL SERVERS ARE UNCARING SUCH AS YOURSELF. They wouldn’t want to be delayed in getting what they asked for, for clean up work, so WHY would they treat other people that way?
You are really an UNCARING PERSON. HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF KNOWING PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THINGS AND YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT SOONER FOR THEM? I COULDN’T LIVE WITH MYSELF IF I DID THAT TO SOMEONE, because it’s WRONG! I don’t care if it’s only a minute sooner, because 95% of people out there want their stuff PRONTO, NOT 2 minutes from now, NOW, THIS MOMENT if they can get it. I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT FEELS THAT WAY AND YOU KNOW IT! I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU THINK I SHOULDN’T BE OFFENDED BY IT, WHEN IT’S NOT EVEN A REAL LIVE CUSTOMER, IT’S DIRTY DISHES. HOW THE HELL DOES THOSE DIRTY DISHES AFFECT ME? Sure, if they don’t put them away all night, roaches would come, but if I just asked for a refill, those dirty dishes on the next table DOESN’T AFFECT MY SERVICE and it’s really ONLY thinking about the people waiting for a table if there even is a wait, which the Chili’s situation, there WASN’T.
It’s really commical to say “MANAGE HIS OR HER TIME”, when you are supposed to be thinking of the **CUSTOMER’S TIME** NOT YOUR TIRED FEET making an EXTRA TRIP for someone. You aren’t supposed to be putting yourself in that, because you want people to tip you, NOT for them to wait longer to tip you less. This is just common sense if you think of them more, they’ll think of you more in the tip. This is like DUH! YOU ARE SOOO DAMN UNCARING IT’S UNREAL! I really HATE people like you that think of OBJECTS OVER A HUMAN BEING. That really takes the cake.
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Mary
“Sweetie, face it. I’m not the bitch in this equation.”
You ARE, because I am NOT calling you a MEAN NAME like that. LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU CALL SOMEONE A “BITCH.”
“no, normal people do not break apart & examine everything.”
If you want to look for PROOF, go to complaints.com and planetfeedback.com, because LOTS OF PEOPLE DO! They are ALL “NORMAL” just as I AM.
“if that server hadn’t stopped to grab those plates that you were so pissed about, he could get into trouble. Something else you sure as hell didn’t know.”
I have BEEN KNOWING about this, so stop saying I don’t. The fact is, A LOT of servers DON’T follow the rules and STILL KEEP THEIR JOBS WITH BETTER TIPS FOR THINKING OF CUSTOMER’S TIME INSTEAD. You just don’t know how many servers DO NOT get me refills without asking or me asking which I have heard that’s a rule. My point is, these servers STILL KEEP THEIR JOBS even if they don’t follow every rule.
“The servers where I work are supposed to NEVER come back to the kitchen with an empty tray.”
So, he could have been faster about it by picking up 1 dish instead of wasting time for the people that just placed their food orders and my time for my refill. It’s called being CONSIDERATE of customer’s time.
“So that means if you ask for a refill, we haven’t done anything wrong by stopping to grab a few plates on the way in. It’s our job. & you wouldn’t know anything about that.”
You HAVE by thinking of clean up work instead of the CUSTOMER’S TIME. Cleaning up can ALWAYS be done AFTERWARDS. You HAVE done something wrong, it’s called BEING RUDE! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO PLACE YOUR ORDER AT WENDY’S, BUT THE CASHIER DECIDED TO KEEP WIPING DOWN THE TABLES FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE INSTEAD OF TAKING YOUR ORDER? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE BEING DELAYED? The cashier should STOP IMMEDIATELY to take you order. WOULDN’T YOU AGREE? That is how I treated my customers. I may have been restocking milks and a person walks in. I stop IMMEDIATELY and say “May I help you.” I DO NOT CONTINUE to restockt he milks. Same thing with mopping or sweeping, if a customer walked in, I stopped IMMEDIATELY to SERVE THEM. THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE TO THINK OF YOUR CUSTOMERS NOT YOUR CLEAN UP WORK OR SIDE WORK.
I would like to know if you actually think it’s”RUDE” to cleaning up something by making the customer wait EXTRA TIME they didn’t have to? If you don’t think it’s rude, YOU ARE THE BITCH AND MEAN PERSON. LOOK IN THE MIRROR IF YOU ACTUALLY THINK IT’S NICE, because it’s NOT. It’s VERY INCONSIDERATE of the customer’s time to clean up before getting what they just asked for.
“You act like you think you’re such a nice person when you do things that nice people don’t do. A nice person is understanding & gets that a mistake can & will happen from time to time. That’s clearly not you. I can accept that stuff. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I’m nice & I’m normal.”
NO, it’s that you don’t care if a mistake happens, but 95% of the dining public DOES and ISN’T “EASY GOING” about mistakes, especially major ones.
First off, if a mistake happens, sometimes it’s NOT a REAL mistake. You can tell when the person brings out the wrong food or things missing on the plate that are OBVIOUS. A “MISTAKE” is when you “TRY”, so when a server doesn’t try, that’s MEAN. I feel that person is being MEAN first, by NOT “CARING” if the order is correct that they are bringing out as far as OBVIOUS things go. It’s MEAN if let’s say I order a side of ranch with my food, that if you take my food to me, if you haven’t even bothered to verify anything, so my ranch is missing, that’s NOT NICE TO ME. So when mistakes happen, honestly MOST AREN’T TRUE MISTAKES.
Mistakes will happen from time to time, but that doesn’t mean I should be nice to them if they have RUINED my outing. If you make a mistake, be nice enough to APOLOGIZE and if it’s something major such as a wrong entree, ask the manager to comp something, considering it was YOUR mess up. When the server is nice, I will be nicer to them if they SHOW THAT THEY **CARE** that they messed up, by at least TRYING to make-up for their mistake.
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Pamela
“Unfortunately your’s is not the only way to do things or even the best.”
I NEVER said it was the ONLY way, but WHY wouldn’t it be “BEST” for the customers? Cleaning up before getting things a customer wants is only looking out for more sales for the restaurant, NOT at ALL of thinking of the customer’s time that are already seated.
“YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.”
I NEVER SAID I WAS “ALWAYS” RIGHT.
“Actually from what I’ve seen, you are rarely even vaguely correct.”
WHAT ASPECTS AM I “WRONG” about according to you?
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
1) You’re not considering anyone but yourself.. maybe the other table is happy to rid of dirty dishes.
2) you never worked in a full service situation and therefore have no way to consider all the things that need to be done at the same time.
3) It might be “best” for 1 table but not for others. After all if you were the just seated wouldn’t you then want the servers attention rather than someone who’s got their food and drink and is clamoring for more? Isn’t it better to get new people started than worry about someone who’s had service, been given a chance to eat and given a drink and only wants more?
4) It is very possible to be rude without name calling or snide comments. And you do so with nearly every post. You have 1 point..ME FIRST.. other than that what have you said?
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:22 am
That’s your problem. Your outing isn’t ruined because of a mistake. That’s weird to even say. You really think servers are out to get you. You act like a drama queen if you seriously let a mistake ruin your evening. That means that you need to chill out & learn how to accept life instead of bitching about everything. You are a very unhappy person & you want other people to be unhappy to. If you weren’t, then you would learn to accept things. Spending the next 2 years like the last 2 is going to do nothing but make you even more bitter, hateful, selfish & bitchy. Get a hobby, chill out, & move on already.
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Does Springs think typing in all caps makes one cool?
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
I’ve never seen Springs on other waiter blogs. You all say she’s been leaving rants for a few years. Does she get tired and move on to other blogs? Will it be soon? I CAN’T ********STAND********HER RANDOM PUNCTUATION, LIBERAL CAPS USE, AND long diatribes.
If I ever start a sentence with “I remember it like it was yesterday, a meal at Chile’s in Spring of 2005,” just shoot me.
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
You should read the blogs she has posted herself! They are all bitching about servers! The earliest I found was October 2005. It’s really pathetic. I put a wrod or 2 in caps to get a point across, but I can’t stand when she does *****THIS***** It’s very annoying & she belongs in a white padded room where she can have supervision 24 hours a day.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
what makes you all suspect that Springs thinks? Just how empty is her life? It’s sad.
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Mary
I’d like for you to answer the QUESTION I ASKED and the NEXT QUESTION AS WELL:
“HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO PLACE YOUR ORDER AT WENDY’S, BUT THE CASHIER DECIDED TO KEEP WIPING DOWN THE TABLES FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE INSTEAD OF TAKING YOUR ORDER? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE BEING DELAYED? The cashier should STOP IMMEDIATELY to take you order. WOULDN’T YOU AGREE?”
Would you want to WAIT an extra minute or 2 to place your order? I HONESTLY DOUBT THAT and that MOST people would want to wait that extra minute or 2.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOU WOULD WANT TO WAIT and let the cashier just keep on bussing until she decided to serve you. I honestly think you would go up to her while she was bussing the table to ask if she could take your order just as 99.9% of the population out there would.
There’s NO DIFFERENCE in waiting for service in that situation and waiting for service in the 2 situations I had described in my previous posts.
“Your outing isn’t ruined because of a mistake.”
IT IS IF EITHER IT’S A MAJOR ONE OR IF THE MINOR MISTAKE TAKES A LONG TIME LIKE 5 minutes or LONGER to get to you it DOES.
“That’s weird to even say.”
It’s NOT “WEIRD” to be affected by what the person that is serving you is doing or not doing. HOW CAN YOU SAY THEY DON’T AFFECT SOMEONE’S MOOD? OF COURSE a person’s mood can be affected. Wouldn’t you say if it was someone’s birthday, which they were happy, but then to find out that their entrée order was the one messed up out of a party of 8? GEE HOW FUN IS THAT PERSON’S BIRTHDAY NOW? Not that this person couldn’t be happy some, but they would still be disappointed that he or she couldn’t eat their food with the rest of the 7 people TOGETHER.
“You really think servers are out to get you. You act like a drama queen if you seriously let a mistake ruin your evening. That means that you need to chill out & learn how to accept life instead of bitching about everything.”
I don’t think anyone is out to get me. What I KNOW is that a LOT of servers DO NOT TRY THEIR BEST, so then that’s why service is sometimes shitty. I had one waitress that admitted “I don’t add them up” when we had an overcharge. See, my husband ordered an item that was $21.99 if you wanted to add crawfish; it was $4.99 addition to the $21.99. I feel she could have easily rounded each one to the next dollar $22 & $5, which would have been $27. Our check had it listed as one item instead of $21.99 & $4.99, which it totaled $28 and something cents. Turns out, we were overcharged $1.50. I CANNOT BELIEVE she thought she didn’t have to make sure she’s charging her customers correctly. WHAT’S THE TIP FOR IF THE PERSON DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOUR MONEY? My point is, she ADMITTED she DIDN’T EVEN “TRY” NOT TO OVERCHARGE US. Her tip was $4 on an $85 and something cent check due to the overcharge. The overcharge with tax was $1.63 and she would have made an extra quarter if I would have given her 25% like I was going to BEFORE the overcharge. She had time to write “Thank you” and sign her name for HER MONEY THOUGH on the check, just showing her SELFISHNESS. Yet, servers claim they don’t have the time to make sure the prices on the check match the menu. That takes the cake. My point is, it DOES RUIN YOUR OUTING AS IT DID FOR US. I WAS FURIOUSLY PISSED AT THIS UNCARING BITCH THAT ADMITTED SHE DIDN’T EVEN “TRY.” If it was HER $1.63 plus extra tip, then she wouldn’t be too happy, so WHY should SHE?
My main point is, I am the most pissed that she NEVER ****TRIED*** to not ruin our outing. I am just most pissed about the lack of EFFORT and the SELFISHNESS of servers, because they have the time to think of THEIR MONEY when it comes to writing “Thank you” and signing their name on the check. The fact that this situation “WASN’T” a “MISTAKE”, but a LACK OF *********EFFORT************, is what pisses me off the VERY MOST!
“You are a very unhappy person & you want other people to be unhappy to. If you weren’t, then you would learn to accept things.”
NO, I just want EVERYTIME to go PERFECTLY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I am happy when I see the server buss ass as I did for people at the donut shop. I accept them when I give the tip they deserve which may be a low to nothing tip if the service is really shitty. I accept it to request NOT to have them EVER again and if I would have to, I’d go to another restaurant or get it to-go.
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Pamela
“1) You’re not considering anyone but yourself.. maybe the other table is happy to rid of dirty dishes.”
One thing, I AM thinking of some people besides MYSELF, because I was saying that the waiter was delaying the people’s food orders that had ordered BEFORE I ordered my refill. Secondly, in the 2 scenarios the tables that had dirty dishes on them had NOBODY AT THEM. Thirdly, I honestly don’t think the customer would care if those dirty dishes would just be put an empty dirty table that had dirty dishes on them already. As long as it was out of ****THEIR**** way, they wouldn’t care if the server went to put them in the kitchen.
“2) you never worked in a full service situation and therefore have no way to consider all the things that need to be done at the same time.”
First off I do NOT NEED TO WORK AT A FULL SERVICE SITUATION TO KNOW WHAT IS RUDE AND WHAT ISN’T! That’s the thing, they ***AREN’T**** and CANNOT POSSIBLY BE DONE AT THE SAME EXACT TIME. Each time a server worries about grabbing dishes and stacking them, that’s MORE TIME the customers are waiting that had just asked for things. Instead of let’s say getting their refill in a minute, now they end up waiting 3 minutes due to worrying about clean up work.
“3) It might be “best” for 1 table but not for others. After all if you were the just seated wouldn’t you then want the servers attention rather than someone who’s got their food and drink and is clamoring for more? Isn’t it better to get new people started than worry about someone who’s had service, been given a chance to eat and given a drink and only wants more?”
NO WAY, I TOTALLY DISAGREE! Sometimes that person is ME, so it comes and it goes with that. If I am just seated, that person that orders more has EVERY RIGHT TO ASK SOMETHING ****BEFORE**** the server takes my order. THEY WERE THERE IN THE BUIDLING BEFORE I WAS EVEN SEATED, SO IT SHOULD GO BY ORDER OF REQUEST. SO WHAT, I get seated, that DOESN’T mean “MY” TIME is somehow MORE IMPORTANT than that person that has their food & drinks already, but asks for more stuff. Their time is ***JUST AS IMPORTANT*** AS MINE and if they beat me to the punch per say by asking BEFORE my server greets me, that their stuff shouldn’t get delayed for us. There have been MANY of times we ordered EVERYTHING at once except for desserts. My point of that statement is, what if YOU had just asked for a refill, NOW, your server is with us for 3-4 minutes taking our orders and us asking questions. By the time you get your refill, because the server is probably going to get all 3 refills at once as well as go put in our orders, you may not get your refill for 5 minutes. HOW DOES THAT FEEL when you are THIRSTY or eating something SPICY? My point is, the things should be gotten in the order it was taken in. If table 4 asks for a refill BEFORE table 7 asked for their check, you should have the COMMON DECENCY to get the refill BEFORE table 7’s check. I do NOT care if you are right next to the computer, the fact is if table 4 asked for their refill first, WHY DELAY THEM to let table 7 “CUT” in front of “THEIR TURN?”
“And you do so with nearly every post. You have 1 point..ME FIRST.. other than that what have you said?”
NOPE, NOT TRUE. Even if someone else asked for their check first before my refill, I TRULY HOPE, TRULY HOPE, the server goes get their check FIRST***BEFORE**** my refill to be FAIR, so when it is my turn, I can have my turn **FAIRLY**! I DON’T WANT TO “CUT” IN FRONT OF SOMEONE ELSE’S TURN, just as I DON’T want someone else to “CUT” in front of MY TURN! Don’t you get that?
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Good point Pamela! I kinda get the impression that she doesn’t do much thinking!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
YOU’RE NOT THINKING OF THE SERVER.
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
why would any of us answer your questions? you only answer the stuff YOU feel like, and then by repeating the same small minded rheteric (sp?)
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:05 am
The fact that you have avoided numerous questions & chose to instead ramble for 3 pages shows that you are insane. & to expect other people to answer your crazy questions is just as unreasonable as you are when it comes to going out to eat. You don’t even know how to answer a question without giving examples that people could care less about. & you don’t even know how to prove a point. Accept your defeat & move on!!!
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October 31st, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Pamela
“YOU’RE NOT THINKING OF THE SERVER.”
WHY SHOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE SERVER WHEN THE CUSTOMER IS PAYING THE SERVER? It’s all about thinking about the CUSTOMERS ONLY and NOT ABOUT THE SERVER! Think about it. You are there to make the MOST MONEY you can make and in order to achieve that goal, you have to put yourself on the backburner per say for your customers. Think about it logically. If a customer let’s say asks for things one at a time, you still do it, don’t you for the MONEY? That customer ISN’T thinking about the server, because sometimes not meaning to, but even I have forgotten to ask things once in a while such as napkins when the server had came to the table right beforehand. It’s NOT always done purposely by customers, it’s that the customers know you are supposed to EARN your tip, so if you do have to make several trips, you will be EARNING YOUR TIP MORE. I feel to be considerate of one human being to another you should ask for things all at ONCE, which normally 99.9% of the time I do like with condiments, but customers forget sometimes. The server is just like a Dr. or any profession in that the customer is truly not going to think of the Dr.’s feelings or time. The customer feels they are PAYING to get that time, therefore, if it involves more work or a longer time, the customer isn’t going to worry about the Dr.’s feelings or time. My main point is, MOST customers are NOT worried about the WORKERS. They are concerned with WHERE THERE MONEY IS GOING. For instance, a delivery pizza guy that brings the wrong pizza to your house and let’s say you see on the box, the order taker took the order correctly, so that means the delivery guy didn’t take 2 seconds to LOOK in the box to make sure that was the correct pizza. Would you honestly think of the driver then? I for sure wouldn’t. The driver didn’t think of YOUR TIME, so WHY should you think of HIS?
My main point is, if you want payment, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF LAST AND PUT YOUR CUSTOMER FIRST. YOU have to think of the CUSTOMER’S TIME FIRST and then you will get the customers to think about your time by TIPPING YOU WELL, which is the ENTIRE REASONING WHY YOU ARE THERE! Do you honestly think I thought of my tired feet or my customers when I served people? Of COURSE NOT, I thought of my CUSTOMERS, because customers come BEFORE sidework or ANYTHING for that matter. What I am trying to say is I will be thinking of the server when it comes TIP TIME! That’s the ENTIRE REASON WHY THE SERVER IS THERE TO BEGIN WITH! Do you HONESTLY think people are concerned with their server’s time or feelings? HELL NO, all they want is their stuff correct and in a timely manner. You have to think of the customer’s time and feelings FIRST to get the SAME RESPECT BACK! They do NOT CARE HOW YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THERE, JUST GET THERE. They will thank you in the tip by giving you a good tip HOPEFULLY.
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October 31st, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Pamela
“why would any of us answer your questions? you only answer the stuff YOU feel like, and then by repeating the same small minded rheteric (sp?)”
I have answered almost ALL of y’all’s questions, but by NOT answering this one *******PROVES******* YOU KNOW YOU WOULD DEFINATELY GO UP TO THAT CASHIER TO ASK IF YOU COULD PLACE YOUR ORDER IMMEDIATELY INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR NO REAL REASON! YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO ADMIT HOW RUDE IT IS TO WORRY ABOUT CLEAN UP WORK BEFORE A CUSTOMER!
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October 31st, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Mary
“your crazy questions is just as unreasonable as you are when it comes to going out to eat.”
YOU KNOW IT’S NOT “CRAZY”, because it’s REAL LIFE QUESTIONS. You are ADMITTED PROOF that I AM RIGHT, because YOU NEVER just said “NO, I would let the cashier keep wiping the table and take up my personal time until she was good and ready to take my order.” See, honestly, YOU CAN’T SAY THAT, because I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG! I HAVE PROVED THAT BY YOU NOT ANSWERING! WHEN SOMEONE DOESN’T ANSWER A QUESTION, DON’T YOU AGREE THAT MEANS THE PERSON DOESN’T WANT TO ADMIT THE OTHER PERSON IS RIGHT? If I was wrong, you would be ANSWERING THE QUESTION! The fact is, if you were waiting to order your food at Wendy’s and cashier was wiping tables down, I seriously doubt that you’d like to wait until she was finished cleaning when you are hungry and thirsty. WHY CAN’T YOU ADMIT THAT? NO ONE IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO FINISH CLEANING, EXCEPT FOR THE RARE PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT JUST WANT TO CHIT-CHAT AT THE TABLE AND TAKE THEIR TIME. 99.99% of the population wants to get their stuff as QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE! I don’t care if it’s a refill or ANYTHING for that matter. Corporate at restaurants wouldn’t have lots of complaints worth of TIME complaints if people didn’t care about waiting for things. If people didn’t mind waiting, then people could cut in front of people in a line and the person they cut in front of wouldn’t care, which you know good and well, MOST people DO CARE unless the person in the back of them has like one item. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THINGS UNNECCESARILY.
Don’t you want service PRONTO at places? It could be even when you are checking out at the grocery even or anywhere. WHY would you want to wait for something even a MINUTE LONGER if YOU DO NOT HAVE TO? THAT’S JUST STUPID, unless it’s something like an appetizer at the same time as an entree, then I could understand, but if it’s something like a refill, WHY would you want to wait LONGER? MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR ANYTHING FOR THE MOST PART!
“You don’t even know how to answer a question without giving examples that people could care less about. & you don’t even know how to prove a point.”
The examples were REAL. They showed how those servers DELAYED orders from customers for their clean up work. I could have had my refill and the customers could have had their food just that much faster to the table. The sooner the order gets into the computer, the SOONER the food can get cooked or be one of next items on the list to get cooked. Also, the bartender can beat an order for the same item, made the same way by just a minute and you KNOW WHO’S food will get to them first? Even if the people at the table placed their order BEFORE the people at the bar, if the server worries about getting dishes instead of going to put that order in, since it’s the same item made the same way, it’s UNFAIR that the people at the bar area get theirs BEFORE the people at the table that ordered BEFORE THEM.
You can as you said “CARE LESS”, because it wasn’t **YOUR** TIME, IT WAS OURS AND THOSE OTHER CUSTOMERS.
Who knows, maybe you are the type I have seen before where you don’t even order drinks right away and you have a server come to your table several times to see if you are ready to order? I have seen that happen, but honestly it’s RARE! MOST people want their stuff right away. Now I have taken my time figuring out what I wanted before, but that’s rare for me, because I usually have an idea what I might want before I enter the restaurant.
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November 1st, 2007 at 1:53 am
You have NO business bitching about me not answering a question & saying it means you’re right. Because if that’s true, then you have proven me right SO MANY TIMES! You have avoided so many questions I can’t even keep count. & had you actually read my comment, then you would see that your remark about your time & other customers made no sense. I said we could care less about the examples you give. Can you read, honey? & grabbing a few plates is required at ANY TIME. That means that we did our job correctly by doing so on the way to get the refill you had to make sure to SAY you wanted so you wouldn’t “have your time wasted.” Pathetic. Bye-bye now sweetie. Have a life. Apparently a bitchy, dull, bitter & unhappy one. Whatever.
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November 1st, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Mary
“You have avoided so many questions I can’t even keep count.”
Like WHAT? I have answered mostly ALL the questions you have asked.
“I said we could care less about the examples you give. Can you read, honey?”
I CAN READ. I meant in what I said is that you care less about my examples, because it ***WASN’T YOU**** WHO WENT THROUGH THE RUDENESS, which WE WERE!
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November 1st, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Sadly sweetie, people get bored with your childish rants & raves & the last thing we want is a paragraph of examples, scenerios, & links with pictures of your high school clothes on it. The fact is, you answer only what you can bitch about the most & you do it simply because you like to bitch & you like that you can push people’s buttons. You get off on being a whack job & keeping these arguements going. Despite the fact that many people, myself included, have tried to end this. For the love of God, get a life & go away!
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November 2nd, 2007 at 7:35 am
Springs, how does your husband feel about your dining experiences? Does he care as much as you do?
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